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Long
Term Perspectives by Freddy Hutter
Peak
Oil Depletion ~ Production Records, the Barrel Meter & the Gas Pump
Sept 11th ~ A new
Annual Supply record of 85.4-mbd was set
in 2008. The year-to-date pace of 2009 Extraction
(to Aug 31) is 83.7-mbd.
The
Quarterly
Supply record of 85.8-mbd was
set in 2008Q1.
July 2008
continues its distinction for the all time global Monthly Supply record: 86.6-mbd,
2.4-mbd above today's monthly pace of 84.2-mbd.
The
Quarterly record for Demand
of
86.9-mbd
was set
in 2007Q4
(with difference of 1.7-mbd drawn from inventories). High
Demand Month is February 2008's 87.7-mbd.
TrendLines
Research's All Liquids Underlying
Decline Rates Observed in 2009: 3.2% Worldwide &
2.5% in Saudi Arabia
Note: IEA 2008 recent annual stats are overstated by
0.8-mbd due
to its failure to deduct energy inputs for processing BTL & Bitumen. Thus, only EIA A/Q/M
stats are recognized as Records.
Feb 3rd ~ The recent OPEC quota restrictions are unfortunate as Saudi
Arabia missed its 10.68-mbd Annual Record (set in 2005) by a
mere 50-kbd.
Russia has an insurmountable lock on second place (10.0-mbd) for
national suppliers. The USA has recovered well from Hurricane
repercussions (7.4-mbd). Following are China (3.9), Iran (3.8),
Canada (3.3) &
Mexico (3.1-mbd).
TrendLines
Research's All Liquids Underlying
Decline Rates Observed in 2008: Worldwide 3.3%, Saudi Arabia
4.5%
& USA 3.4%
Marsh Lake, the Yukon ~ Mar 6 2010 ~
(rev 2010/3/10)
The USA Contract Crude Price averaged $72 in February, down $3 from
January, and near double the $37/barrel four year low of December
2008. Including spikes, Crude
Oil should settle into a
general trading range of $60
to $72/barrel thru the balance of Q1/Q2. The present spiking activity is completely detached from fundamentals. As seen in the chart, Prices during the last three seasons have been hugging the
Unconstrained Spike Potential line (dashed
red line). In
light of upcoming high Inventory levels, a $12/barrel downward correction
to $60 appears imminent.
With February's fundamentals-based Crude Price
(yellow
line)
at
a mere $42/barrel, the contract price was a bloated 1.8 x's fundamentals .... an unduly inflated price considering the average
factor was 1.5
over the last five years. The high for this
metric in the recent past was 2.2 in y2K, and only 1.4 during the July 2008
spike, on its way to 1.0 x's fundamentals upon the collapse later that year. The
level of
bullishness reflected by this metric
has not been seen since mid-2004.
One factor for the relatively
higher Price is renewed speculation/hedging activity. A new
record of 291k long futures contracts was set in late
October,
compared to the recent volume high (259k) in March 2008. At
476k in October, total
non-commercial contracts, long & short volume combined, has passed the
former 440k record Feb/2008 mark. The net volume (longs minus
shorts) set a new record of 135k in January. This compares to
2008's high mark of 100k.
The following TrendLines Price Targets are based on our projections of future Avg
Extraction Cost, Currency Debasement, Hedging Activity,
National Inventories, Surplus Capacity & The Media
Noise-du-Jour effects on Windfall Profits.
The foundation for much of this data is derived from
Peak
Scenario 2200
- our peak oil depletion model.
March/2011:
TrendLines Research 1-yr Target for USA Contract Crude Price
of $78 is increased today to $86/Barrel; assumes 86-mbd
Supply, 7-mbd Surplus Capacity & $26/barrel Avg Extraction Cost.
The USDollar returns to its secular debasement vs the Euro.
Its fortunes are conversely correlated to America's Deficit &
National Debt and the USD:EUR exchange rate should revisit the .65
mark.
On the medium term, Crude Prices escalate to new record highs ...
then plunge.
Geopolitical events
could spike Price over the $100 threshold as early as 2011Q3, and the
monthly Avg will almost certainly cross over by 2011Q4.
Two major forcings
are behind this general upward price movement: (a) a return to
secular uptrend of USDollar debasement; and (b)
ever-rising Extraction Costs. TrendLiners will recall that this
has been our position since late 2008.
The first significant American impact
of higher prices will be
a
serious re-collapse of New Car & Light Truck Sales. This
occurred in 2007Q4 upon attainment of certain Oil Price/GDP ratios,
and were signalled when Crude hit $85/barrel ($3/gallon gasoline). This same threshold will
have been breached when Contract Price passes thru the
$92/barrel ($3.25/gal) level likely in 2011Q3.
The weak state of the Recovery raises question as to whether the USA
economy can absorb such a shock to the auto sector. Even more
doubtful is ability of the rest of the world to take this in stride.
Several G-20 nations
may find themselves back in Recession, about the time Price
goes thru the $103/barrel level.
The present record for the monthly Avg ($131/barrel) was set in July 2008.
Unsustainable spikes could breach that figure in 2012Q4, with the
Monthly Avg catching up in
2013Q1. Hopefully, sticker shock will coax the American Congress & President to
address their fiscal mismanagement at that point. Due to
political realities surrounding the timing (Nov 2012 Elections), the Republican
Party is poised for good fortunes with respect to potentially
slashing the Democratic Majority ... and possibly dethroning Obama
himself.
The Barrel Meter model assumes the
USD:EUR exchange rate will deteriorate til reaching 0.45 in April 2013
(EUR:USD = 2.22).
Political platforms by both Parties will be required to address the Deficits & National Debt during the Election
Campaign. Whatever the outcome of the Race to the Whitehouse,
the USDollar debasement should be halted by hard decisions in Washington,
to the glee of the investment community, and despite the USDollar's
diminishing status as the global reserve currencey.
The post-$60 price run of Crude's
contract price will finally be
impeded in 2013Q2. At that juncture, Price will be blocked by the
same Demand Destruction Barrier (DDB) that firmly arrested the 2008
price run. The negative effects of rising energy costs on the
disposable income of consumers and the profits and viability of
businesses and institutions eventually takes a toll against the
economy. The Demand Destruction Barrier represents an Crude
Price/GDP
ratio whereby recessionary feedbacks come to fruition that
can enhance economic contractions. To that end, this $150
peaking of Price could quite likely precipitate an economic
contraction should the neither the Fed not mitigate with appropriate
Monetary Policy, nor Congress with appropriate Fiscal measures.
As happened in the Summer of 2008,
Demand will back off as alternative energies and substitutes are
pursued.
With the marginal All Liquids being less required, Avg
Extraction Prices should collapse as much as 50% as international Inventories burgeon
... but alas the secular uptrend will not be thwarted.
March/2015: TrendLines
5-Year Target of $129 decreased today to $72/barrel;
assumes 90-mbd Supply, 4-mbd Surplus Capacity & $33/barrel Avg
Extraction Cost. After 2013, the USD:EUR exchange rate
rebounds to a 0.75 (EUR:USD = 1.33) trading range.
Based on an 8.5 year business cycle
in play, the USA is likely to see an economic cycle high in 2013Q1
and another contraction in 2017Q3. The extent of this being a
hard or soft landing is dependent on Fed action. A resultant
$10 dampening on crude
price is temporary. Be assured the secular price rise shall continue, mainly
forced by rising Extraction costs.
In comparison, the similar WTI
Futures Contracts for these same 1-yr & 5-yr targets are $82 (up $3 from 30 days
ago) & $87
(same) respectively
today.
Look for the futures prices to slide $1 on the short term & rise
another
$41/barrel for 2015, as they catch up with current realities.
Our comparative figure for the final futures date of Dec 2018 is
$91/barrel, slightly less than the $94 (down $1 from 30 days ago) for today's contract.
Over the long term, the benefits of
USDollar improvement and stabilization of Extraction costs are
far outweighed by the evaporation of Surplus Capacity. From its
peak of 8-mbd in 2012, spare production capacity completely dwindles
away by 2025, aside from economic events. An encounter with
$243/barrel is projected in 2029. Technical obsolescence inspired Demand
Destruction should bring about some degree of price stabilization
deep into the future.
If your firm/institution requires
written validation of a future price forecast in the 60-day to
40-year time frame, feel free to contact our analyst, Freddy Hutter.
Components of the USA Contract Crude Price
The
Barrel Meter offers a visual depiction of the
TrendLines Research
analysis of the
components that comprise the USA Contract Crude Price. By
studying the forcings that affected Price from 1999 to 2007, our
model was able to dissect in real time the factors in play during
the historic 2008 spike. Importing future Surplus Capacity
stats from our Peak Scenario 2200 production profile to the
Barrel Meter model allows us to combine forecasts of each of those
components and reasonably project Crude Price 25 years into the
future.
USA
Contract
Crude Price Spike - using the TrendLines
Barrel Meter, it is possible to dissect the $94 spike (from
Jan-2005) to $131/barrel PEAK (July 2008) & collapse
back to $37 (Dec-2008):
$94
Spike Forcings:
$131
PEAK Forcings:
$23
Windfall Profits
via Media Noise
$30
$ 1
Hedging/Speculation Activity
$ 2
$ 6
Tighter
Inventories
$10
$26
Tighter Surplus
Capacity
$35
$28
Currency
Debasement
$30
$10
Weighted Extraction
Costs
$24
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The TrendLines Price Targets are based on our projections of future Avg
Extraction Cost, Currency Debasement, Hedging Activity,
National Inventories, Surplus Capacity & The Media
Noise-du-Jour effects on Windfall Profits.
Highlights
March/2011 - 1-yr Target for USA Contract Crude Price:
$86/Barrel
March/2015
-
5-Year Target: $72/barrel
March/2020
- 10-Year Target: $101/barrel
2035 Target (25-Yr): $314/barrel
USA New Car Sales
collapse:
2011Q3 @ $92/barrel crude ($3.25/gal gasoline)
Return of G-20
Recessions:
2012Q1 @ $103/barrel
Potential Spike to $100/barrel:
2011Q3
Sustained Prices over $100:
2011Q4
Next Potential Spike
past
record $131/barrel:
2012Q4
Sustained Prices over
record $131:
2013Q1
It has been our position
since 2004 that Crude Prices in excess of $70/barrel
were not sustainable in the Global Economy. As alternative
substitutes become more available, this recessionary barrier should
rise by about $5/barrel ($ .24/gallon gasoline) per year.
It is also clear that
the auto industry and the vibrant USA economy shut down when crude
hit $85/barrel & gasoline breached $3/gallon.
The Oil Price/GDP ratio that inspired this event is poised to repeat in
2011Q4: $93 Crude & $3.28 gasoline. These thresholds should be respected.
Lower energy prices
assisted in bringing an end to the USA Severe Recession in April 2009 (to be
announced by NBER May 3 2010).
But, present spiking activity
in Crude Price and gasoline jeopardizes the pace of both the global
& USA economic Recoveries. The main downward
forcing on Crude Price after attaining new records was the onset of
Demand Destruction.
The
concept of Demand Destruction had eluded most analysts and pundits
leading up to the events in 2008.
Excessively high product pricing robbed businesses, institutions and
consumers of their profitability, viability & disposable income.
Conservation, alternative energy and substitution strategies
flourished. And they will again should price outreach its
place. The most positive outcome of this last episode was the
extinguishing of an overly generous Lack of Surplus Capacity premium along
with
the dispelling of Peak Oil rumours.
TrendLines Research has
assisted many stakeholders recognize that All Liquids will
enjoy an ever increasing pace for approx two decades, to be
followed by a very manageable Post Peak decline.
With a return to healthy Surplus
Capacity, Marginal costs are irrelevant at this time and thus
assures a reasonable pricing regime. Knowledge
of these two factors allows policy makers to conduct their research
and due diligence and make long term decisions in a less hurried
environment.
Jan 10 2010 ~ Yesterday we expanded
our Barrel Meter
presentation to introduce a 25 Year Target for Crude Price.
This was accomplished by importing data on Extraction Costs &
Surplus Capacity from our Peak Scenario 2200 into the model.
The result is a projected $218/barrel in 2035.
Last month
our première Price Forecast compilation chart introduced Adam Sieminski's price study, it mirrors our
sentiment that current crude prices are poised for at least a 15%
downward correction to better reflect underlying fundamentals.
The
chief energy economist of Deutsche Bank (Washington)
projects contract prices to reach $182/barrel by 2035.
Seeing the global Recession subsiding
more quickly,
IEA bumped up its 2015
forecast seven bucks to $73 this week. Their long term targets
mostly skim a tad below Deutsche Bank, rising to $158 by 2030.
EIA released its
2010 AEO in mid-December. Converse to IEA, its path straddles above the
Deutsche Bank course, rising to $203 in 2035.
For a reference point, we've inserted
our Demand Destruction Barrier (DDB). It demarks the
apparent Oil/GDP ratio where rising prices eventually attain
critical mass leading to sea changes in conservation and
substitution. This invisible ceiling halted the epic 2008
spike at $131/barrel, and should thwart the current price run at
$157 in 2014Q4, followed again by a very major correction, according
to the
Hutter Barrel Meter.
Disagreement that such a constraint
mechanism exists separates conventional price forecasting from those
within the McPeakster fraternity. For illustration purposes,
we include their three showcase predictions to demonstrate the
divergence. Monthly updates by a "joker" over at theOilDrum
(aka Ace) have been trimmed recently, but still warn the cult
following of a $179/barrel spike within 40 months! From here,
we deteriorate to contributions by two members of the
Lunatic Fringe: Jeff Rubin (ex-CIBC
World Markets) foresees "sustained pricing" of $205 in 2012 &
Matt Simmons (investment banker) sports infamous speculation of
$300 by 2014 & $546/barrel ($600 WTI) in "much less than 20 years".
Note: all targets have been converted to nominal USDollars,
and are adjusted to reflect EIA's USA contract crude price (approx
9% less than WTI). Its July 2008 peak of $131 was followed by
a December bottom of $37/barrel.
IRRATIONAL
EXUBERANCE REVISITED
Sept 11
2008 ~ The Summer of 2008 was indeed a strange one with
neophyte pundits like
Jeff Rubin of
CIBC World Markets screaming & hand waving about
imminent
$200/barrel crude & $1.75/litre gasoline. This fear
mongering was irresponsible and reflected poor
comprehension of the Demand Destruction and an inept
Economic model. Since crude rose above $70/barrel,
energy costs have dampened the GDP growth rate and have
an equivalency to rising Fed Rates.
As
Contract Crude peaked at $134, TrendLines Research set
its Target Price at $109/barrel on July 11 2008.
On Aug 6, with Crude down to $119, we reduced our Target
further to $102/barrel.
Jeff Rubin failed to
realize that a Crude Bubble was under way. The
correction in play is now an expansionary forcing to the
Economy. Rubin's Recession is as improbable as his
$200 Crude, $1.75/litre gasoline & last year's Peak Oil
forecast.
It was analysts for
Investment Bankers, like Rubin, that assured
impressionable consumers that Nortel was worth
$100/share, houses should sell for a million bucks & one
should pay way more than a thousand dollars for a gold.
Crude was just another play. Follow the money
folks! It's all about commissions & bonuses...
TrendLines
Gas Pump
Oct 27 2008 ~ Like Crude,
USA Gasoline went way up; and is plunging just as fast.
This month's Retail
Price of $3.57/gal is comprised of $2.84 Wholesale refinery product
& a $ .73 Margin. In turn, Margin is $ .48 Taxes & $ .25 Profit.
One would think the
retailers are getting very rich, eh. Well, analysis reveals Margin
is only up from $ .54 in January Y2k. Taxes & Profit are up from
44.5 & 12.5 cents at that time. In other words, Profit has been
rising at 9% per annum.
The Crack Spread (diff
betw Wholesale & Contract Crude) for Refiners can be seen ranging
from $1.08 & $ .17 ($45.24 & $7.10/barrel) and is currently $
.66/gallon ($27.58/barrel). When this figure drops below $
.48/gallon ($20/barrel), Refiners prefer to produce diesel and
gasoline imports commence to rise.
Archive March 2007 Commentary:
To give
recent price moves and OPEC's actions some perspective, let's recap
recent events as tracked by this Report since last October:
The
graphs above
illustrate steady Supply growth thru 2004 & 2005 and including Q3 of
2006 of 2.1-mbd. Unfortunately, the global GDP growth
rate of over 4% was not anticipated; and as we can see in the
graph to left,
Surplus Capacity evaporated (from over 5-mbd spare to less
than 1-mbd). This presented a challenge to the overall
supply chain and the constant threat to J-I-T deliveries caused
contract prices to creep up to $69/barrel
(as seen in the EIA
graph below).
Real Prices not only
re-attained historic norms but burst thru the upper band and almost
reached new highs. This inevitably brought on Demand Destruction
in the Summer of 2006.
While Supply had
continued its onward and upward path, indeed setting a monthly
record in July, much crude was going to commercial inventories
around the globe as buyers resisted the new price regime.
Regular TrendLiners will remember my comments last Autumn
that the sector was seeing surplus production of 1.7-mbd thru
2006Q2 and 1.5 (see surpluses in graph
to left) in
Q3. At the same time, i mentioned that much of the "apparent
demand" was actually speculator-driven.
Eventually the record
production of July was dampened as OECD Inventory levels reached
practical capacity. There just was no more storage room,
Demand Destruction was taking its toll
(see record
inventories in graph below)
and in a mere five months, Contract Prices fell back to
$45/barrel (a 35% decline). With orders dwindling, Saudi
Arabia and others throttled back even before the OPEC quota cuts
were announced. The writing was on the wall. Extraction
fell to the extend that during Q4, Demand actually surpassed Supply
by 0.2-mbd, but the difference was easily drawn from the record high
Inventories.
Prices finally firmed
in late January when the OPEC quota restriction matched resurging
Demand brought on the discounted Winter prices. Q4
actually set a record for Demand as mentioned above. The
2007Q1 Call of 86-mbd indicates even higher Demand may be
upon us prior to the normal seasonal softness of Q2 which is said to
have a 84-mbd Call
(see Quarterly Call
chart below).
Between tighter Inventory draws and a new aircraft carrier
approaching the shores of Iran, prices have again perked up and are
today up $7 dollars ($52/barrel) from last month. But
this should be short-lived; and if the lighter Demand of Q2
presents itself as forecast, sub $50 oil will be upon us thru most
of the Spring and Summer.
The
big question is whether this is the calm before the storm.
Q4 Call is 87-mbd. New production infrastructure is
somewhat stalled in several producing nations. My analysis is
that this Summer & Autumn, suppliers will prudently refill the
recently tapped Inventories for a similar drawdown as we saw this
past Winter season. I would not be surprised if again Demand
outpaces Supply in Q4. This scenario would come at the cost of
softer prices thru the Summer as those surpluses go to new record
stock builds.
As we see in the green
EIA Spare Production graph above, that Agency sees 2-mbd surplus
in 2007/2008; a reflection of new extraction, refining and
shipping facilities in the works. Russia continues to be the
numero uno producing nation. Russia, Canada, Angola & Iraq
will provide the new growth in 2007. Most of the 2008-2010
capacity build is occurring in Saudi Arabia. The swing
producer is currently supplying 8.6-mbd of crude; and has
announced a desire to fold the present 0.6-mbd restriction of its
OPEC quota into a larger 2.5-mbd of surplus capacity that it
wishes to preserve for geopolitical uncertainties or natural
calamity. Thus, Saudi Aramco's expansion of extraction to
12.6-mbd from 11.2 by August 2009 is entirely via projects
presently under construction. Phase 2 of this combination of
closing depleted fields and developing Reserves will culminate in
13.5-mbd of Maximum Sustainable Capacity (MSC) by the end of 2011
with 11-mbd of ongoing production.
This program
represents a 2.3-mbd addition to January's flow rate ... a
tad over 0.5-mbd/year. It is certainly an aggressive
plan, in that it accelerates a February 2004 Presentation
which had planned to attain a lesser 12.5-mbd MSC by 2016.
These figures do not include an additional 2-mbd available
via NGL & refinery processing gains. Saudi Arabia's post
Katrina effort saw the swing producer surge to 9.5-mbd for
two seasons.
This bodes well for
future Prices on the medium term. Only OPEC stands in the way.
Saudi Arabia seems to be openly seeking a band centered on
$50/barrel. The Kingdom's badly kept secret of its $43
estimation for 2007 Revenues within its national budget gives us
clues to their flexibility.
In the end, i will be
watching global GDP figures for my sense of the equilibrium in the
marketplace. Central bankers, national Treasurers and global
oil suppliers all want balance. Manipulating oil prices to
the extent that they bring upon the globe a 3.5% real growth rate
would be a precious and workable tool that on the surface is as
useful as the tinkering with interest rates via Monetary Policy.
I'm certain that Alan Greenspan, even in retirement, would concur!
This week's GAO Peak
Oil Report brings to an
end the submissions to the National Petroleum Council's Supply Task
Force. This Global Oil & Gas Study was initiated by USA Energy
Secretary Bodman. I was humbled to be invited to
contribute and engage in a teleconference with Colin Campbell, Jean
Laherrère, Robert Hirsh, Doug Low, Steve Andrews. Albert Bartlett &
Ron Swenson. The second phase included Roscoe Bartlett, Roger
Bentley, Mark Gaffigan, Richard Heinberg, Matt Simmons & Randy
Udall. Mark represented the GAO and will be making public its
review of Peak Oil in March. Please take a few minutes to
peruse TrendLines
Presentation. The release this month of the
UN's IPCC AR4 underscores the necessity for integrated national
energy policies.
The highlight of
course of the last month was meeting Stephen Harper, Canada's new Conservative Prime
Minister, in the Yukon to open the Canada Winter Games. It's
been as cold as -42C this Winter. Where's all that
Global Warming the IPCC promised, eh?!!
Status
of USA Oil/Gas/Gasoline Stocks ... as of Nov 23
2007
{USA Summary: nat'l gas stocks are
3% higher than last yr; total oil products
stocks are 3% lower; and gasoline stocks are
4%
lower}
(Nov 29, 2007)
Crude oil
& natural gas stocks continue to flourish at or above
their five-yr channels as seen in the graphs shown
near the bottom of this
page. At this time, TrendLines 2007
year-end target for USA contract price is raised to $57/barrel (compared to last month's $56)
as OPEC continues to virtually revise upward its acceptable basket
price. Current global Supply &
Inventories are not
sufficient to meet estimated 2007Q4 Demand of 87.1-mbd nor 2008Q1's
88.2 Call; indicating
continued moderate price spikes ahead. OPEC is openly
telegraphing that it is comfortable with a Price Band of $50 to $80
as contract prices broke thru the $80 Price barrier for the first
time this month; and resides at $89 today. Our target for year-end USA Contract
Price for 2008 is raised to $44/barrel based
on increasing global Demand.
America's Strategic Petroleum
Reserve has been taking on additions (5mb) for three
months and is approx 1% higher than one year ago.
Aside from the supply woes, there will be very little
pressure
on prices and
related spiking due to weather trends with
the likelihood of above avg temp's in the USA thru the
Winter.
Largest anomalies will again be in the American
Midwest & Southwest.
Nat'l gas avg prices
of $7 should continue, with occasional spikes to $9.
TrendLines target for the Spring 2008 trough in working
gas is raised slightly to 1500-Bcf today.
Gasoline
stocks remain south of the five-yr channel.
It is our blending of reserve stocks data with
forward looking seasonal weather forecasts that has kept the
TrendLines Energy Projections in the forefront since 2002.
Whereas the comments above (and below) are made monthly, we are now
updating the graphs below weekly. Therefore some
inconsistencies with the comments may appear from time-to-time in a
rapidly changing environment...
Crude Oil & All
Liquids:
6.7%
lower from same 2006 date ~ Oil (crude) ... a month ago was down
5.9% from
last yr.
2.9% lower than same 2006
date ~ All Product Oils (incl Strategic Reserve) ... a month ago
down 3.7% from last year
Note: the Strategic
Reserve is 0.9% (6mb) higher than one year ago at this time.
Natural Gas:
9.3%
higher than its same date five yr avg ~ Natural Gas ... a month ago up
7.2% from same date 5yr avg
3.1%
higher than same 2006 date ~ Natural Gas ... a month ago down 0.3% from
last year's date
TrendLines forecast for
Spring 2008 trough: 1500-Bcf
>fig's
& stats from US DOE
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